I have recently been involved more on a Solar Power thread on the popular Whirlpool forum, and thought that a recent post that I made would be appropriate to discus here on Bloggle.
Despite the nuclear bluster that I regularly espouse, I am a fan of PV solar power.
What I an NOT a fan of is govt rebates and handouts in order to make PV Solar seem viable.
And currently, PV Solar hoe based installs ARE NOT viable. In order to find out why, click the read link and I will go right in to it.
Origin Energy in NSW have a few deals currently on offer.
1. $5,990 for a 1.5kW system installed (minus the meter change cost)
This will get you, reportedly, 2200 – 2900 kWh a year.
2. $9,800 for a 1.6kW system that will get you, reportedly, 2,438 – 3,532 kWh a year.
3. $12,290 for a 2kW system that will get you, reportedly, 2900 – 4400 kWh a year.
Lets look at this in a real world situation.
My last quarterly power bill was $780 due to the 30% increase in electricity in NSW recently. That was something in the order of 3200 kWh for the quarter.
The current NSW feed in tariff is 20c per kWh
Assuming the BEST case scenario, package 1 will get you $580 off your bill per year, package 2 $706.40 and package 3 $880.
Lets look at this with my real world bill.
Package 1 will reduce my averaged $3,120 per year bill to $2,540
Package 2 to $2,413.60
Package 3 to $2,240
Next year the feed in tariff is reportedly being increased to 60c per kWh.
So with this new feed in tariff we get…
Assuming the BEST case scenario, package 1 will get you $1,740 off your bill per year, package 2 $2,119.20 and package 3 $2,640.
Lets look at this with my real world bill.
Package 1 will reduce my averaged $3,120 per year bill to $1,380
Package 2 to $1000.80
Package 3 to $480
This all sounds great until you factor in the sunk cost.
package 1 you pay $2,995 upfront then $125 a month for 24 months
package 2 you pay $4,945.00 upfront then $206.04 a month for 24 months
package 3 you pay $6,145.00 upfront then $256.04 a month for 24 months
Ignoring the 50% upfront payment and your monthly bill on the best case scenario with the highest tariff is
Package 1 will reduce my averaged $3,120 per year bill to $2,800
Package 2 to $3,473.28
Package 3 to $3,552.48
However, you have to take into account the upfront sunk cost as well.
package 1 takes 3.4 years to pay off before you realize any savings
package 2 takes 4.6 years to pay off
package 3 takes 4.6 years to pay off
It is pretty close to the point where it would be worth thinking about except for a couple of factors.
The ONLY factor to make this close to worthwhile is the feed in tariff and how long can you bank on it being that high for?
If a good percentage of the population went and took up deals like this then the feed in tariffs would reduce as there isnt enough power available at times when there are wide spread low collection amounts…. such as at night.
The other clincher is that I am not going to invest in something that I wont ever see the payoff for. if it is going to take close on 4 years before any payoff is seen, I am unlikely to still be in the same house by then.
Gone are the days when people stay in the house for 20 or 30 years.
So all up, I still dont believe that rooftop PV is viable.
If you have a lazy $14,000 laying around that you arent doing anything with, and you are happy to wipe it from your memory, then this is a great deal and you will see a big saving in your electricity bills for years to come.
HOWEVER, dont go getting smug about your new found environmentalism and reduction of green house gasses as you dont actually consume your PV energy and any ‘green’ certification issued in the for of REC’s are onsold.
Bottom line, anyone with PV Solar on their house are not getting any of the things that they got it for.



December 21st, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Thanks for this. Should be more of it.
You seem knowledgeable regarding electronics generally. Can you say how fair dink the current state of the solar electricity thing is as regards the retail cost of the things, the installation costs, the level of technological sophistication of the current offerings?
Or put it another way: could we do it all cheaper ourselves if we could manufacture solar cells?
And what about the question of ‘Why’? Because, for instance, a mere black plastic hose coiled around your roof would heat enough hot water for some level of demand. i.e. are we needlessly getting too sophisticated in our effort?
January 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm
If you do a return on investment(ROI) calculation based on the lowest advertised price for a PV system in NSW you will find a 1.5Kw system will return around 40%, a 2Kw 30%, and 3Kw and above 20%. This is based on the current gross feed-in tariff of 60c per Kwh. If you take out the feed-in tariff and calculate on current prices the ROI range is 6-13% depending on the size of the system; still a pretty good return on investment, especially as that return is almost certain to increase as the cost of electricity does. So even if the tariff only last for a few years the ROI is better than most other investments going around at the moment with no downward volatility. The only caveat is if you are planning to move house you may not cover your costs in the sale price premium. With the interest free Green Loans on offer from the Federal Government, now is a unique window of opportunity to install a PV system. I have no financial or other interest in PV installation companies but have had PV panel recently installed on our roof.
Also do be clear that solar hot water systems and solar PV systems are totally different beasts even though they both use solar energy to work.
In terms of technological improvements of solar panels, the most important point is the cost per watt. Typically the more advanced the panel the more expensive it is so that the cost per watt may well be less for a less advanced panel. Where one should consider investing in the latest panel is if roof space is limited. For example a large commercial roof space may choose to use the less efficient amorphous panels because it makes more economic sense.
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Thanks for your comments Chris.
What timeframe did you base your ROI on?
Also you the ROI will vary greatly depending on how much power you consume.
Obviously if you are consuming, as I do, quite a bit of power per month, then you are only going to see a few hundred dollars a quarter reduction in your bill. Now obviously that would be a welcomed relief at the moment but not so when you consider the capital outlay to begin with.
Even an interest free green loan will require you to outlay $208.33 PER MONTH for 4 years.
A system that I could buy with a $10,000 green loan would not produce $600 odd worth of electricity savings per quarter UNLESS I am only using a very small amount of electricity and can rely on the generous feed in tariffs to be paying me for my excess production without the initial outlay.
As I said in the post, I am close to be being convinced as the 3.4 years to payoff isnt too bad, and it is cream from then on in, but that is only for a small system.
Also, as time goes by there is no way that feed in tariffs can stay so high.